Close Menu
    What's Hot

    How Ford And GM Are Plotting A Battery Breakup With China

    June 4, 2025

    Next-Gen Shelby GT500 Looks Menacing in New Spy Shots

    June 4, 2025

    CPCA estimates China’s May NEV wholesale to grow 38% year-on-year to 1.24 million

    June 4, 2025
    Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram
    Intelligent EV News
    Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram YouTube
    • Home
    • EV Cars
    • Best EV Cars
    • EV Reviews
    • EV Models
    • EV Cars News
    • About us
    Intelligent EV News
    Home»EV Cars»Can electric cars save the grid? CA might require EVs to have V2G by 2027
    EV Cars

    Can electric cars save the grid? CA might require EVs to have V2G by 2027

    adminBy adminMay 4, 2023No Comments7 Mins Read
    Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn Reddit WhatsApp Email
    Share
    Facebook Twitter Pinterest Reddit WhatsApp Email


    Nissan-LEAF-V2G-2023
    2023 Nissan LEAF Source: Nissan

    A bill has been introduced in California which would require all EVs to have bidirectional charging capability starting in model year 2027.

    The bill is numbered SB 233, introduced in the California Senate by Senator Nancy Skinner, who represents the Oakland area, just north of Tesla’s factory in Fremont; it has a lot of organizations supporting it.

    It would require all new electric vehicles to be “bidirectional capable” by model year 2027.

    The bill doesn’t specifically define “bidirectional-capable” and directs the California Energy Commission to convene a work group and produce a report on the bidirectional capabilities of various vehicles. This would likely include vehicle-to-grid capability, which means that the car’s battery can feed energy into the electrical grid (or a microgrid), much the same way that a home solar system does when it produces more than a home can consume.

    There are other types of bidirectional usage available for EVs, notably vehicle-to-load and vehicle-to-home. V2L is the most limited type and typically has lower peak draw capability – for example, the 1.8kW capability on the Kia Niro EV. V2H allows homeowners to power their home with a car’s battery, much like a Tesla Powerwall might work or like Ford’s “Intelligent Backup Power” system.

    Another umbrella term for all of this is “vehicle-to-everything,” or V2X.

    The bill is meant to help California’s grid tackle challenges with peak loads. As climate change makes temperatures hotter, California’s grid is often overtaxed on the hottest summer days, which are becoming more numerous. Even worse, natural gas peaker plants are the highest-polluting form of electricity California consumes, and these need to be used at peak times in order to deal with high demand.

    Electric cars can be a solution to this problem, since they could function as a distributed backup system for the grid. With incentives to charge overnight (utilities give cheaper rates for night charging) and additional incentives to discharge a battery when demand is high, EV owners could help the grid, the air, and also potentially their pocketbooks by buying electricity when it is cheap and putting it back onto the grid when it’s expensive.

    California has already moved to incentivize grid-connected storage with its recent changes to its solar net metering program. In a change that was controversial for many rooftop solar advocates, the new 3.0 net metering provision gave higher incentives to stationary battery storage and fewer incentives to normal nonbattery rooftop solar installations.

    But there aren’t a lot of V2G-capable cars out there. Currently, only one EV on the market is fully V2G capable and has an available charger to unlock that capability for fleets. That car is also the oldest EV on the market – the Nissan Leaf, which was introduced in 2011 and has been equipped with bidirectional charging capability since 2013. But it only finally got its charger last September, several years after introduction and four years after Nissan partnered with Fermata Energy to deliver this charger.

    Other vehicles have V2L or V2H capabilities (or have been promised to eventually have V2G capabilities), but only one is fully V2G capable in the US at the moment.

    The bill has already been through two committees (Transportation and Energy, Utilities and Communications), during which it has been watered down significantly. Earlier versions of the bill would have also applied to all electric vehicle supply equipment (chargers), had specific incentives for bidirectional-capable EVs, and may have required these vehicles to use interoperable standards, but these aspects have all been removed as the bill has been amended.

    Next, it has to go through the Appropriations committee, then pass through the state Senate and Assembly, and get signed by the governor – so there’s a lot more to go, with the potential that anything could be changed by more amendments.

    Then many specifics of implementation would be left up to the California Air Resources Board, California Energy Commission, and California Public Utilities Commission, and the work group convened to study this issue. This includes potentially exempting certain vehicles from the requirements if they are found not to have a “likely beneficial bidirectional-capable use case.”

    Electrek’s Take

    V2G hasn’t really taken off with consumers, not solely because there aren’t many vehicles available that allow it but also because it’s not all that easy to use. You can’t just plug your car into an outlet and use it – you need to have a grid interconnect, a system which manages the charging and discharging of your vehicle, and so on.

    So far, V2G has been more of a curiosity or potentially something for fleets which have large amounts of dispatchable power, but not really something that consumers can take advantage of.

    A system like Tesla’s Virtual Power Plant, which connects Powerwall owners together into a large, automatically-dispatchable reserve of power for the grid (all while making those Powerwall owners money), would make it easier for consumers to use their cars in this way.

    And having the force of law behind it, requiring all vehicles to be capable of this, could just be the kick-start needed to make these widespread. V2G definitely benefits from a network effect, where it becomes more useful the more people participate.

    There’s no real point to a single person discharging their car into the grid, but when millions of cars are involved, you could work to flatten out the famous “duck curve,” which describes the imbalance between electricity supply and demand. We hear a lot about “intermittency” as the problem with wind and solar, and grid storage as the solution to that, so being able to immediately switch on gigawatt-hours worth of installed storage capacity would certainly help to solve that problem.

    And that could be worth a tremendous amount of money to the grid. Not only does it eliminate peaker plant usage, which is costly both economically and environmentally, but it also saves money on grid storage installation and helps to avoid costly and even deadly widespread power outages. These benefits could be thought to balance out any cost of additional incentives for V2G-capable cars. But many of those benefits are had simply by charging the car at the right time, which helps to balance out peaks and troughs on its own.

    The question of cost is important. This could increase the cost of EVs, and certainly of electrical charger installations. Will the incentive be enough to make up for this increased cost for consumers? Will enough people install grid interconnections to make this useful? And how can they even do so, when there’s a massive backlog of people waiting for grid interconnections to be installed?

    And with 2027 coming so soon, do automakers have time to implement this, given that Nissan’s system took more than a decade to get a V2G-capable charger commercially available in the US? Tesla’s VP of Powertrain and Energy, Drew Baglino, recently said it could have bidirectional charging in two years, and immediately afterward, CEO Elon Musk stepped in to say that he thought nobody would want to use bidirectional charging.

    This brings up a point: It still remains to be seen if car owners would accept having their car’s charge controlled by an algorithm. People are already obsessed with buying cars that have much more range than they need, so coming back to a car and finding out it’s got 100 fewer miles than you left it at might rattle some owners. This is solvable by setting minimum thresholds in an app, but that could also limit the overall usefulness of the system to the grid.

    While this is a great idea that could solve many problems for California and elsewhere, we could see it being difficult to implement unless the system is made easy to use, easy to install, and people are properly incentivized to use it in a manner that is understandable to a public that doesn’t know the difference between a kilowatt and a kilowatt-hour. State regulators will have their work cut out for them to design these regulations by the end of 2024 as the bill describes, but if they get it right, this could finally give us the V2G dream we’ve been thinking of for so long.

    FTC: We use income earning auto affiliate links. More.



    Source link

    Share. Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn WhatsApp Reddit Email
    Previous ArticleFord CEO suggests an electric Explorer is coming to the US
    Next Article Tooling progress, more funding needed
    admin
    • Website

    Related Posts

    CPCA estimates China’s May NEV wholesale to grow 38% year-on-year to 1.24 million

    June 4, 2025

    GM takes over as the ‘#1 EV seller’ in Canada

    May 29, 2025

    Regulatory filing: Geely Galaxy to launch new hybrid sedan A7

    May 23, 2025

    Harbinger 500 mile medium-duty EREV

    May 17, 2025

    Tesla’s retail sales in China down 8.56% year-on-year to 28,731 in Apr

    May 11, 2025

    Kia’s low-cost EVs are taking over, now comes its first EV sedan

    May 5, 2025
    Add A Comment
    Leave A Reply Cancel Reply

    Latest Posts

    Somebody Paid Way Too Much For This Final Edition Supra

    May 29, 20250 Views

    BYD completes deliveries of 1,000 Atto 3 EVs in South Korea in less than 2 months

    May 29, 20250 Views

    2026 Kia Carnival Is Still the Cheapest Minivan on Sale

    May 23, 20250 Views

    California Says ‘See You In Court’ After EV Rules Rolled Back

    May 23, 20250 Views

    Regulatory filing: Geely Galaxy to launch new hybrid sedan A7

    May 23, 20250 Views

    Regulatory filing: BYD Denza to launch new model N8L SUV

    May 23, 20250 Views
    Don't Miss
    EV Cars

    Here’s how the strict new EPA rule could impact US EV sales

    By adminMay 4, 2023

    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced a strict new auto pollution rule in April that…

    Cheap Electric Cars In 2023

    April 9, 2023

    US HY Defaults Return as Rate Inches Up to 0.5%; Forecasts

    March 15, 2020
    Stay In Touch
    • Facebook
    • Twitter
    • Pinterest
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • Vimeo
    • LinkedIn

    Subscribe to Updates

    Get the latest on EVs and everything you want to know on what's happening in Electric Car's world. Updated delivered straight to your mailbox. Subscribe to our newsletter.

    Our Picks

    Watching Wonder Woman 1984 with an HBO Max Free Trial?

    January 13, 2021

    Wonder Woman Vs. Supergirl: Who Would Win

    January 13, 2021

    PS Offering 10 More Games for Free, Including Horizon Zero

    January 13, 2021

    Can You Guess What Object Video Game Designers Find Hardest to Make?

    January 13, 2021
    • Facebook
    • Twitter
    • Pinterest
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • Vimeo
    Don't Miss
    EV Cars News

    How Ford And GM Are Plotting A Battery Breakup With China

    By adminJune 4, 2025

    The research labs inside General Motors’ Global Technical Center probably aren’t what spring to mind…

    Next-Gen Shelby GT500 Looks Menacing in New Spy Shots

    June 4, 2025

    CPCA estimates China’s May NEV wholesale to grow 38% year-on-year to 1.24 million

    June 4, 2025

    Tesla China sells 61,662 cars in May, down 15% year-on-year

    June 4, 2025
    About Us
    About Us

    Intelligent Ev News your go-to source for the latest news and insights on electric vehicles(EVs). Whether you're a car enthusiast or just curious about the future of transportation, we have you covered with up-to-the-minute coverage of the electric vehicle industry.

    Facebook X (Twitter) Pinterest YouTube WhatsApp
    Our Picks

    How Ford And GM Are Plotting A Battery Breakup With China

    June 4, 2025

    Next-Gen Shelby GT500 Looks Menacing in New Spy Shots

    June 4, 2025

    CPCA estimates China’s May NEV wholesale to grow 38% year-on-year to 1.24 million

    June 4, 2025
    GAllery

    Type above and press Enter to search. Press Esc to cancel.

    Ad Blocker Enabled!
    Ad Blocker Enabled!
    Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors. Please support us by disabling your Ad Blocker.